Topcon Talks Agriculture

Technology vs Hoping Feed Management | S05E06

February 10, 2022 Topcon Positioning Systems Season 5 Episode 6
Topcon Talks Agriculture
Technology vs Hoping Feed Management | S05E06
Show Notes Transcript

 Learn more about the Rosy Lane Dairy cropping and feeding philosophy as our host Dave Orr speaks with partner and cropping team manager Tim Strobel. They will talk about adequate over an abundance of feed and looking 16 months ahead for their 1000 cow herd and 2000 acre operation.

Speaker 1:

Welcome to another addition of, to talks agriculture. I I'm Dave or, and today I'm pleased to be joined by Tim STR from Rosie lane, dairy based in Watertown, Wisconsin. Tim is a partner at Rosie lane Holstein and has graciously agreed to share some time with us to chat about the livestock feeding industry. Thanks for joining us today, Tim. You're

Speaker 2:

Welcome. Good to be along.

Speaker 1:

Very good. So, Tim, um, maybe for our list, uh, you could give us a little bit of background on exactly who you are and, and maybe what Rosie lane dairy Holstein is.

Speaker 2:

Okay. We, uh, currently Rosie lane Holsteins is about a thousand code dairy here in Watertown. Um, Lloyd senior Lloyd Holman senior. I should clarify moved here in the 60 east, um, and Lloyd junior, who was, is one of my partners, um, was six years old at the time. Um, they moved here from Aine county. They got pushed out by, um, basically urban sprawl moved over here to Watertown, less populated. They bought 50 cows or so, and some pigs chickens, your normal farm. And at that time, just start things growing, changing, advancing, always on the leading edge of, of, uh, what was new in the dairy industry. Lloyd went to university of Wisconsin was there for four years, came back to worked together with his parents. I didn't quite work out. He moved away for a while. Moved back in, uh, 79 or 80. I can't remember. I started working here as an employee in 1992 in 1999. I was offered to be a part owner and we started with four owners of Lloyd Daphne, Joel and myself about, uh, three years later or Joel left. So there was three of us for a while. And then about 11, 12 years ago, Jordan Matthews, who is one of the current partner team members, um, joined on Jordan, manages the, the dairy side of the operation, the cows, the parlor staff, et cetera. I manage the four staff members. I on the copying team, we, we take care of the feeding nutrient management plan, which involves minor removal, cropping the equipment, basically anything that doesn't directly relate to the dairy cow.

Speaker 1:

Gotcha. And, and, and so how, uh, before, um, you joined the, the rosy lane team, uh, what were, what, what was your, uh, previous, uh, experience likes?

Speaker 2:

So I, I grew up just a mile down the road and, uh, okay. Just a mile down the road was born and raised there. I have, I've not moved more than two miles from my whole life. So I lived, I lived in mile west of the dairy now I live in Mount north of the dairy. Um, but I didn't move far. Uh, nice. So I, uh, grew up there, uh, had six acres. My dad was ups driver. We had sheep as kind of my four H project, um, which kind of grew into my dad's hobby after I got out of four H and my grandpa had, um, or my dad grew up out in Nesha, which is about a half hour from here, had, uh, 50 Cal dairy, um, that he kept working on until he was geez, I think close to 90. I would go out there when I was younger. I'd go out there in the summer for week at a time to help out. And I think that's what kind of got me interested in farming. And Lloyd's younger brother, Dennis was in my class and, uh, Lloyd was having knee surgery and he asked if I was willing to come up and help out with chores for a while when I was 16. So I came up to help with chores. And, uh, I guess since then, I've, haven't missed, uh, haven't missed too many days of coming to the farm.

Speaker 1:

Well, that's a, that's a pretty unique story, um, for sure. You know, and it's one that probably, uh, resonates a lot with people in our industry of agriculture and taking on the family farms or farms close or whatever. So it's, it's definitely a, a great story. Um, and certainly when you look at the time lapse of, you know, going and helping your grandfather on his 50 head operation, uh, and, and now going into work with a thousand head dairy is, uh, it's pretty, uh, a vast change over the years for sure.

Speaker 2:

Right? And it's, it's a little different flavor being, it's not, it's not family. Um, it's not that it's unheard of, but far less common than family farm being handed down. So it was a unique, uh, opportunity that Lloyd and Daphne, they saw that they didn't, they didn't want to do all the work. They wanted to have a business that, uh, could continue on once they were ready to retire. So they, uh, they offered, uh, that I opportunity to Jordan, myself to, to, uh, to go down a little different road than maybe some family farm did

Speaker 1:

Well. That's perfect though. That, that that's great story. Um, so now you kind of have mentioned that you, you do a lot of the cropping. Um, a lot of the, I guess you could call it, uh, manure management or waste management, um, give us kind of an old overview of, of what cropping and, and growing the feed for the, for the dairy, uh, kind of entails and looks like.

Speaker 2:

So at RO land, we just, we only grow crops that we can feed the cows. So we'll feed, um, we'll grow Ry, um, as a cover crop and as a, uh, harvestable forage. Um, otherwise it's mostly corn silage and alfalfa. We do have a few farms where we grow some wheat to keep, to keep a rotation on some farther away ground that we're usually that we're not going to plant alfalfa too, just to kind of give some, uh, a rotation change, uh, rather than just corn, corn forever. So that's kind of our, uh, the crops that we, the crops that we grow, um, our manure mostly goes out, uh, via drag hose. We, we, big goal of ours is to try to connect, connect land parcels so that we can run the drag hoses versus trucks.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

So that that's been a goal of ours is to try to try to get, uh, connected land, to run drag hoses, to make Menard more efficient.

Speaker 1:

For sure. And I guess outta curiosity, um, what kind of acres do you look at to have to be able to feed a thousand thousand head? Uh, you know, approximately?

Speaker 2:

So we're, we're a little strong right now. Um, we struggled for land for quite a while, but, uh, right now we're about 2000 acres and that allows us to grow all of our forage and about 50% of our corn grain needs. Wow. So the other 50% of the corn grain we purchase, right? And as a dairy in an ideal world, you probably want that number of cows to be kind of equivalent with the amount of acres you have to grow forage simply from the standpoint of it's easier to buy corn grain than it is to buy forage or find forage.

Speaker 1:

For sure. And, and it seems like, uh, forage is certainly low, lot more weather dependent on as a commodity, um, trying to gather alfalfa bales when it's a dry year, seems a lot more challenging than maybe finding corn grains that, uh, you know, maybe somebody has from last year or still saving for a better price or whatever, right.

Speaker 2:

Ex exactly there every there's there's corn abound, you look at the coops of, to fall, you see the big piles up just piled outside. You know, that binding grain corn is not a challenge, but forge is, is not as easy. It doesn't have a, a, a market per se, a market price. It's, it's kind of when you go and buy that, it becomes more challenging. So it's, it's been our goal to, at a bare raise our own forage.

Speaker 1:

Right. And so when you say you're raising your own forage, are you, um, yourselves and the operation doing all of this field, work yourself from, you know, breaking the ground to seeding, to maintaining it, to harvesting it, or are you doing some custom work on that respect?

Speaker 2:

So currently we hire out the liquid manure and we hire on some help to, to move the solid manure out as well. Um, twice a year, when we do the big hauls, we have, we use sand bedding and we have a single stage, uh, really low tech manure system. So we suck the water off and we go and, and dig the solids out, right. Those two operations, we higher in help. But as far as, um, tilling the ground planting spraying, we ha we do all that in house. We have our own forage, harvesting equipment. We do all of that as well. Every once in a while, we'll about 50 50. We'll let the Cub spread fertilizer we'll spread it depending on who has time.

Speaker 1:

Right. Interesting. And, and most of this crop is going in, in that spring timeframe or

Speaker 2:

Yes. I mean, the, uh, obviously established alfalfa those acres about the 500 acres a year that, that come into the year they're already growing. We usually seed about 200 acres a year, about seven, 800 acres of corn silage. And then the balance whatever's left over is either wheat or corn grain

Speaker 1:

When it comes to, you know, harvest the, the harvest on the dairy is obviously gonna be a little bit longer than the traditional green farm, or maybe just a standalone dairy operation where you guys are probably cutting alfalfa fairly early and probably for a fairly long time, all the way until you knock me down your corner a little bit later in the year. What's the harvest schedule kinda look like for the operation.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Once, once, uh, chopper sits around for a good share of year, but once time you use it, uh, you better hope it's ready. We usually start, we usually start about May 20th give or take on an average year. Okay. I mean, we'll, we'll shoot for we'll shoot for bud stage when we harvest first crop by far being the most important on the timing, because the quality change is the quickest, right? So we are not we're, we don't chase what I will call rocket fuel for Haage. Uh, we want something in that RFQ of one 50 to one 60 is kind of our goal, which is lower than, uh, some dairies. The reason we do that is we don't. We want to have enough fiber in the rash not to have to add back straw. And if, if the Haage is, is, uh, too high protein and too, too digestible than then you gotta add in a buffer and we'd rather just make our, Haage be dual purpose, um, have some feed value there, but also act as that buffer, right? So we shoot for that one 50 to one 60 RFQ. So typically an average year, we, we that first crop on one stage, and then every 30 days, every 28 days, excuse me, every 28 days after that is our typical rotation weather permit.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

Um, which makes our last cut, you know, somewhere mid August. And by the 1st of September, we've, we've got a couple weeks between the last cut of a and 1st of September is usually corn SIL time.

Speaker 1:

Right. So, so I guess, you know, just quick math would have us saying that if you're doing a first cut in may, you're getting three to four cuts of alfalfa a year.

Speaker 2:

That's correct. We do four cuts in season. Um, we don't usually take a late cutting, um, too many times got burned by, um, a bad winter with two little residues. So unless really short on feed, typically take those four cuts during season.

Speaker 1:

And, and is it kind of more of a, is it more appropriate for, or sorry, important for RO lane to kind of make sure that they have an adequate amount of feed instead of an abundance amount of feed. I know that that's becoming a lot more popular in the alfalfa world is only trying to, to manage it properly so that you're not actually carrying it over. And you're letting that, that, that plant stay out in the, whether it's the winter or whatnot, but making sure that you don't take off as everything possible and, and potentially risk a, a damaged crop the following year,

Speaker 2:

Correct. We, as long as we're good on feed, we put a higher emphasis on stand health and, uh, building what you leave there in the fall. The, the experts will tell you what you leave in fall. You'll, you'll get back in the spring. Right. Um, so typically we, we do, we manage our feed a little differently. We like to have, we wanna feed fermented feed. So we don't wanna be, you know, making a feed and turning around and delivering it, uh, through the feed mixer. We, we shoot for 16 months feed on hand at the end of the season. Um, we wanna have some carryover great. And that, that leaves a buffer for a dry year or, or what you year challenge and year, depending what it is, um, that just leaves a little bit of buffer. The more heads you got to, uh, feed the, the scarier, um, a natural, you know, disaster is rather than just feeding hand to mouth where voice, uh, little insurance we'll call it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, for sure. And, uh, what's your storage, um, techniques kind of for the alfalfa?

Speaker 2:

We, everything goes into, uh, bunker silos right now. We do, uh, they're open-ended bunkers. So just concrete walls on the black top base, our Haage bunkers are 40 feet wide because of the less usage so that we move an appropriate amount forward each day. Our corn size bunkers are 80 feet wide.

Speaker 1:

Gotcha.

Speaker 2:

So most of the time they get to be about 20 foot tall and 250 foot lo, but they're both open ended. We don't have end walls in our bunkers,

Speaker 1:

Both end walls. Both walls are, are open.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Both ends are open. Yeah. So when, when does drive through,

Speaker 1:

Uh, that's, uh, it's very interesting. And, and so just remind me again, um, your, you know, your responsibilities are kind of right up until that that, uh, forage is into the bunker, or are you also doing some of the feeding and, and nutrient management?

Speaker 2:

Oh, my, we are responsible for preparing the bonkers, filling them, covering them and feed out. My, my team is, uh, man managing the faces, the plastic to tires, the, the feeder himself is, has been a member of our, uh, the cropping team. So I think that just it's a little different than most areas, but it kind of, it kind of morphed into that simply because that was always my job when we were at, you know, 70 cows or even even 300 cows, it was my job to feed and then take care of the crops. But as we've grown, I guess I continue to manage it simply because that is one of the responsibilities that I actually did, uh, previous

Speaker 1:

For sure. And so then how many, I guess how many, uh, employees are reporting directly to yourself on this, uh, cropping team?

Speaker 2:

So our, our crop team is, uh, four full-time members. I shouldn't say three and a half full-time members. We have three guys that are on the cropping teams. So lash, um, help with assists feeding. We have one guy that kind of does halftime his feed or halftime as a maintenance person in the barn. And then I have a, uh, oh, a pretty good crew of what I'll call seasonal help to help us at harvest at harvest time and maybe here or there at planting, right. And harvest time, you need eight to nine people on any given day to keep everything running. I just don't have enough everyday work to keep those, that amount of people busy year round. So we've got our core people full time and absolutely, uh, we've got former employees that come back to help with harvest retired neighbors, retired farmers, uh, a good crew of dedicated people that, you know, not don't have to be here all day every day, but can kind of rotate in and out.

Speaker 1:

Oh, that's what, you know, I think a lot of farms throughout America and, and Canada where I'm from, you know, a lot of farms rely on that kind of seasonal health as a lot of guys are getting to call it. But, you know, the, whether it's the, the dad that's moved off the farm to, for the sons to give away, or if it's an uncle or a cousin or whatever, you know, that, uh, that's what helps make any farm, any operation kinda more successful in any given year?

Speaker 2:

Correct.

Speaker 1:

Uh, welcome to top gone talks. Uh, again, today we're joined by Tim Strobel of Rosie lane Holstein, and we're just, uh, talking about his, uh, contributions to the RO lane team and, uh, what he does with his cropping team. Um, one of, uh, question I got for you, Tim is, uh, what, um, Rosie lane has put in place or, or what they're using for, um, what we'd call precision, uh, technologies, uh, you know, how we can help with, of feed management or, or something like that that's evolved over the years of your time there.

Speaker 2:

So when I, when I started feeding cows, it was, uh, I memorized the ration and I memorized the order. It had to be in and the, uh, what, what the scale had to say after each ingredient. Um, and we did that for a little number of years, probably eight, 10 years before we were convinced that we needed feeding software. Right. Um, and I was probably the most resistant to it simply because I, I could mix feed and, and do a pretty good job based on, uh, my head, not what the computer was telling me, but, uh, the, the newer guys that come in, it's actually very helpful. Um, it's a lot easier to, to train when you actually, when you have something telling you how much to put in when to start, when to stop and to record what happened versus just go off your, go off your intuition, cuz not everybody can operate in those, uh, circumstances.

Speaker 1:

And, and, uh, are you guys using self loader mixers or, um, buckets to load a, a pull tight mixer or

Speaker 2:

So we've, we've had, uh, many co night reel Auggie, uh, long as I can remember from really little baby up to, uh, the largest machine they make always treated us well, use it for about five years and, and, uh, moved them on down the road before they got, uh, too much work and UN and unreliable because feed mix are something that runs 365 days a year and not, not like a chopper, you know, chopper's important, but that, you know, that only gets 300 hours a year, not 1500,

Speaker 1:

Right?

Speaker 2:

So we prioritize that feed mixer. About three years ago, we took a little leap of faith and we purchased a TRIA trio track, which is a self-loading feed mixer,

Speaker 1:

Right? It

Speaker 2:

It's got its own, facer attached to it. It faces a feed. It loads itself, obviously mixes delivers. It's a feed truck that can do all aspects. So we took the payloader, the feed mixer, the tractor, and we combined it into one unit,

Speaker 1:

Right?

Speaker 2:

In my opinion, this has saved significant one of labor. Instead of having, we always fed with two people because our site fairly spread out and in the past, our right in the past, our goal was the same people were feeding that were doing cropping. So let's get feeding done. So we get out to the field. That's kind of was our mentality. So we fed with two people. So feeding have to schedule two people, especially on weekends, holidays, et cetera, that now we were down to feeding with one person. So the labor standpoint of it was a selling point. The other selling point for me was knock down feed. Um, when you face with a payloader, you, you know, you guess in the morning, how much am I gonna need? Sometimes you get a right, right. Most times you get too much too lit. Yep. So either you got a feed pile that's loose and just laying there until the next day or you get to the last batch and somebody's sitting there with the payloader, digging up your face to get the last little bit neither which are desired,

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

Um, with the self loader, you there's very little at the end of the day, if there's two skid load left laying on the ground, that's all it is. Cuz you face what you need when you're done with that batch, you just stop. And the rest is remains in a solid, intact bunker face that has very little air hidden filtration.

Speaker 1:

Right. And, and have you guys moved to a, a feed management system at all,

Speaker 2:

As we you've been using, uh, TMR tracker, um, to track feeding since forever. Um, and this is directly, the TRIA has got their own version of the same thing, you know, built right in.

Speaker 1:

And uh, and how has, uh, that over the years evolved into a powerful tool and, and what are some of the, you know, maybe tools in TMR tracker that you're using on a regular basis now?

Speaker 2:

So yeah, I, that's more of what my job entails now rather than the actual doing it. My job is looking at what happened analyzing happen and either reporting that, you know, using that information to make adjustments without actually being, uh, on site and seeing it happen, which can be a dangerous road to go down. I'm still of the nature of my, of I'd like to put my eyes on before I tend to make correction versus just look at numbers

Speaker 1:

Now. Absolutely.

Speaker 2:

It is a tool that has been helpful. I mean, I can track deviations. I can track by operator, you know, when there's a, a new guy doing it. How's, how's he learning? Is he catching on? Are we, how many mistakes are we having? Um, I can go back and make sure that everything was recorded load by load. Occasionally I'll do that when I, I do a monthly report and then I see some number that I see every month is out to lunch. I can go batch by batch and find out if it's a certain operator, not logging something, right. Skipping something. Um, so that is a tool I use, but most of what I use it for is just recorded history. What happened once that monthly report? What do I, um, we enter that number into, uh, several three different platforms, um, is to analyze our efficiency on the dairy in that given month.

Speaker 1:

And, and are you, do you have a way or, or have you gone to putting, um, ski in the yard or something that, where you can put your forage or, or feed inventory as it comes off the field directly into TMR tracker? So you can do bunk management and all that inside that program.

Speaker 2:

So we do have a driveway scale. I, uh, I did have to, I did have to look that up. It was longer than I thought it was 2013. It's been, it's been longer than I thought already. Okay. Um, so when we first got the driveway scale, it was, seemed like, um, we would weigh, you know, a couple loads a day and count loads, you know, before that it was look at the bunker at the end and say, oh yeah, we got about this much in it. And it's a good way to get good yields. Um, Lloyd Lloyd will tell you, uh, any way, any way to be humbled or to, uh, to get the, uh, your, your, uh, ego in check is to, uh, put it in a driveway scale. Right. Um, that tells a real story. Um, so for many years we, we just counted loads and weighed a few loads here or there. Um, the biggest reason we purchased a scale was there was a time like I spoke earlier, we didn't have enough ground to grow on forage and we had to purchase it

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

And purchasing by the acre is, uh, risky at best. Um, when you drive it across the scale, you know exactly how many tons you brought in, you buy it by the ton, not by the acre, cuz you, somebody might think they got 30 ton yield and only gotten 20. Right. So that's, that's the reason we put it in. Um, eventually we put in a system attached to our scale that, um, called scale Hawk, which I believe now is being, uh, marketed as inbound tracker.

Speaker 1:

Correct? Yep.

Speaker 2:

So this scale Hawk system changed significantly how we manage, um, because now every truck is weighed and at the end of a crop at the end of the season, I know exactly how many tons went into each bunker.

Speaker 1:

And so are you, are you just tracking all of that through the inbound tracker software? Or is it going integrated right into TMR tracker or, or how are you managing that?

Speaker 2:

So to my knowledge, this inbound tracker is just released right? When it was a scale hog system, it was not integrated.

Speaker 1:

Correct.

Speaker 2:

Um, I understand that now, or very soon it will be able to, that is one aspect of TMR tractor that I, I guess I haven't there again, the tool is only as good as the information you put into it. Right. I still do it on paper. I've done it on paper forever. So I write down, I track what, what we have for our inventory. Let's just say we had 2,600 ton of first crop. So the scale says 2,600 ton. I take a 90% factor of that to figure in shrink. And I write that on my inventory page, we start feed note that bunker, we start on a date. I go by TMR tracker, how many tons are fed and this time period. And then I just subtract that for my inventory. Right? So there's a portion of it that I still do by hand, which sounds like now would be able to be done automatically. All I gotta do is, is input that information. But to this point it's been pencil paper,

Speaker 1:

Right? And, and that's the industry that I certainly work in is where we're always trying to improve those systems for, for producers like yourself. And, you know, if it alleviates, you know, for some people that might wanna get rid of the notepad and papers and there's certainly other people out there that are doing both and, and some that are doing just the technology side of it, but, you know, I think we're always advancing. And even in the, the dairy industry or beef industry, um, with our TMR tracker products and, and now, you know, this inbound tracker, we're seeing more and more of precision egg entering these things. Um, these industries, especially when you look at inside of a dairy and know that, um, a lot of dairies have electronic feeding systems or electronic milking systems and tracking systems, um, certainly garner the days of, you know, going out with your milk pale and, and grabbing a pile of milk. And that was milking. Um, but in your, you know, approximately I guess it would be, uh, 30 years of working in the industry, what are like, what are some of the biggest changes that have had a positive, uh, impact on, on your day to day operations?

Speaker 2:

I, I would, I would say that, you know, the technology has really kept up when you melt 50 cows in a barn and you fed him by hand and you milked him by hand and you, as the owner operator did all those tasks, you knew when something was off, you didn't need a computer. You didn't, you know, need that kind of data, right. To tell you that, but as things grow and you don't, you can't do everything yourself. You have to find a way to track that information because it's not every person that does that job has that ability. So being able, as you grow, that's every, you know, somebody asked me, well, what or somebody told me, I'm sorry, the other day that what you should do is just record, record, record. Whether use the information or not some day, you're gonna need it. The more, the more they data you can collect and record somewhere at some point in time, you're going to need it. So I would say that that's where it has become, you know, a bunker that held 200 ton of feed or one that holds 20,000. It's a lot harder to guess that big one. And you, you got a lot more risk if you're wrong. So it adds thin as the size of everything grows. Having actual real data helps manage. I can't imagine guessing what I have or thinking, oh, that Bunker's full. Let you get us to the end of the year. I'd be very, I'd be very nervous with, with that. Uh,

Speaker 1:

I could only imagine. So then I guess the, the next question to my, the next question, the final question of the, of the, the podcast today is in the next, uh, let's say 10 years, what, what do you think technology could do to continue this, you know, evolution of, of technology on the farm, uh, that you believe that is something that is missing from maybe your industry or, or the industry in general, what do you think could, could make it easier? Or what do you think is coming?

Speaker 2:

I looked at all the questions and I thought to myself, ah, that's the one I'm gonna struggle with. I'm really good at really good at this is what happened. This is what we did. This is how we solved the problem. Um, this worked, this didn't work. I, this was a good decision. This was the poor decision. See, to see in the future is awful tough, same to changed. So fast. Just what in the last two years would any of us guess that you, you can't get a GPS receiver because we're missing a little chip,

Speaker 1:

Right? Um,

Speaker 2:

They can't, they can't send out new cars cause they have no wheels to put on'em. I mean, it's things change. So fast technology is, is so quick. I mean, there's robotics and milking now that's become pretty common. It's not really even new anymore. If you want it, you can get it. Um, autonomous tractors are right around the corner. From what I understand, uh, I believe that labor is gonna continue to be a challenge. And some of that mechanization is going to filter in maybe quicker than we think. Uh, also it's the, you know, the size and the size and scale thing I think are tough, right? Uh, dairy is a dairy is a business just like any other business. And all you hear about is consolidation company, a about company B next year, they buy company C and just, you know, fewer and fewer options. And then ones that there are, are just bigger and bigger for that economy is a scale they can, they can afford that, those fancy technology, that auto auto mechanization to, to make everything automatic versus, you know, a smaller guy with less ability to carry that overhead. Right. So I really think that what what's got us to this point and is gonna be even more important is, is attention to detail and making sure we do the little things, right. We don't have quite as many units to spread that, uh, over and over. So we've gotta make sure that the details are, are perfectly in place a hundred percent of the time in order to, uh, make up for the difference in, in quantity. For

Speaker 1:

Sure. For sure. Well, yeah, I think that's the, one of the exciting parts about the, the day to day industry I work in of precision agriculture is what's next and what's coming. And I think there's a lot of us inside the co inside the industry that don't even, you know, can't even wrap our heads around where we'll be in 10 years, but it's certainly fun to watch and fun to be a part of. Um, but thank you very much for joining us today, Tim. This was a, this was a great conversation and I really enjoyed the knowledge I learned today.

Speaker 2:

All right. Very well. Good talking to you as well.

Speaker 1:

Awesome. And, and to our listeners, thank you very much for joining this episode of Topcon talks agriculture with our guest, Tim stro from Rosie lane Holstein. I look forward to chatting with you next time. Take care, everyone.